Dreams

Dream Stuff!

Intro

I've been interested in dreams lately, and spent a while researching theories of dream inturpretation, lucid dreaming, and things related to that. So I'll be talking about my research, notes, as well as dreams of my own.

Hypnagogia

Starting from the beginning, before we begin dreaming, we'll have different stages of sleep and different kinds of activity whilst slipping into unconciousness.

Hypnagogia is the stage in between being awake and being asleep, specifically when you're first falling asleep. Conversely, hypnopompia occurs between sleeping and waking up. Why there's seperate words for them, I'm not sure, since they function in the same way, just happening at different times. Many people confuse hypnagogia with dreaming, but the two are nerologically disctinct, though similar. They are also nerologically similar to daytime hallucinations. The most notable difference, is that dreams typically have a storyline, whereas hypnagogic hallucinations are a string of seemingly random images, sounds, and feelings, and happen before you're fully asleep, while dreams notably occur once you reach the REM state of sleep. It is defined by most resources as a type of hallucination, though a very common one, as up to %70 of people experience them in their lifetime, and are more commonly experienced in childhood. Experiences with hypnagogia can be unnerving to some, and feel like nightmares due to the nature of the hallucinations. I have seen a few people refer to the more unsettling hallucinations with the term "geometric nightmares", in reference to very common subjects of the actual hallucinations. Many of these will be different depending on the person, but there are very common similarities in the types of hallucinations people in a hypnagogic state will experience, many reports are very consistant. An average hypnagogic hallucination may contain the following:

I have experinced these myself, in my experience I will be in a white or black void, I often can't recall what shapes I see, but I will hear voices repeating nonsensical words and phrases, or speaking gibberish, often in an increasingly urgent manner.



my notes, and a summary of this section.

Dream Analysis Intro

The two most talked about theories whithin dream analysis come from Sigmund Freud and Carl Jung. This will be dream interpretation based on freud's theory. Freud says a few things about dreaming, one thing that pops up a bit in his theories is that dreams will often represent a wish or desire, especially if it seems unattainable. We have here, a concise procedure for how dreams seem to work and form. How the unconcious processes material, or thinks, beyond our concious control. Dreams are a type of thinking made possible by the state of sleep. Freud considers dreams to be the "royal road to the unconcious" because the ego's defenses are lowered, for reressed material to come through. The process of these unconcious thoughts being transformed into dreams is referred to by Freud as dream-work. A dream will have the following elements:

Sometimes the process is instead referred to as displacement, condensation, and secondary elaboration.

Other things dreams will commonly consist of:

Freud speaks of what he calls the manifest content and latent content. The manifest content being what the dreamer remembers, the surface level content of the dream, and the ideas on their own, with the latent content being what that content represents, the symbolism. The manifest content is often based on the events of the day, or past memories. Dream analysis is translating the manifest content into the latent content, to better understand the subconcious. The dream-work's purpose is to distort the latent content into something less threatening, forbidden, or uncomfortable to think about.

my notes, and a summary of this section.

I got the information from this section from Dr. Derek Hook. Following along with his lecture, I also analysed a dream he detailed, using the aformentioned techniques. I first listened to Derek explain the dream, and wrote down my notes as he was telling it. At the end of this part of the lecture, Derek explains his own interpretation and adds a bit more context. I will provide the dream with my initial notes, and then provide Derek's analysis afterwards to compare the two.

Derek's Dream + my analysis:

My notes written in (bold/parenthesis)

Derek is getting a lift from 2-3 colleuges he's vaugely familiar with. It's about 2 in the morning, he's eager to get home. He's dropped off, and he stops them. He tells them to wait five minutes, so he can make sure he's got enough money. He pulls out some amount of rand, a south african currency from his childhood, He then tells them it's fine, and they can leave, and they do. In the next scene, he's in a garage, seemingly someone elses, and he's rifling through random stuff, and sees a lowly elevated white shelf, and looks through thinks on the shelf. (Searching for something). A certain item catches his attention, a pen. A strange pen with 2 writing points. The pen is yellow and it's tiny. He thinks to himself that this must be a "special enscribing tool", fixating on this pen. (What comes to mind is this scene possibly being displacement/sticky substitution. The pen itself may be less important in the grand scheme, or a distraction. The important thing may be the general act of "searching for something". The pen may be nothing, or it could represent his desire to find that thing he's searching for, he may not realize what that something is just yet, or the pen could be symbolic of that thing. Interesting when it comes to displacement, considering both the size of the pen and smaller things being more important, but also the focus of the scene being on the pen, which would align with the possibility of it being a distraction. That's how I came to the conclusion that the pen and this idea are linked, or rather the pen IS that idea.) Derek looks at the pen, and wonders if he should take it. While he's thinking it over, someone else comes into the garage, a family, and they sit down. Derek is excited to see the family, and thinks to himself that "This is a good opportunity to see what a normal American family talks about at supper time." They sit down, and Derek sees the father, and notices tha also sitting at the table is Paulie from the Sopranos. He is sitting closest to Derek, and he looks scary. (Paulie is likely a stand-in for someone in Derek's life. Paulie is a serious and intimidating character, who intimidates Derek in the context of the dream, so whoever he's meant to be a stand-in for, likely gives off a similar cadence or makes Derek feel that sort of way, or who he's at the very least unsure about. Paulie was noticed right after Derek looked over at the father specifically. I think It's likely the father and Paulie are somehow connected. Either they're one in the same, or the father could sort of serve the role of Tony, as Paulie is his right hand man. The presence of Paulie and connection to the father may represent Derek viewing whoever the father represents as being similar to Tony, metaphorically. Powerful, dangerous, and intimidating. The focus on Paulie seems to be a misdirection (displacement) When the figure Derek is really intimidated by is the father. The father could represent Derek's own father, though seeing as the family is unfamiliar to him, I would say maybe not. If Derek has a father-in-law who either disapproves of him, used to disapprove of him, or he just has a memory of being anxious about impressing him, the father could represent him, and the "danger" or fear Derek is sensing from him could be psychological/social, not a fear of physical harm. The Sopranos representation of him could also be an exaggerated way of symbolizing power he has over Derek. Fathers are also socially seen as "providers", so if Derek has never had a rocky relationship or anxiety over an actual father figure in his life, a boss at work also comes to mind. ) In Paulie's face, near his nose, he got a double puncture mark, like he was stabbed or jabbed in the face. Derek notes being put-off by the scar. He looks at Derek, and Derek tries to be nice, and then at some point the father puts his hands together, Derek remembers the gesture he makes being some sort of finger gun. either a regular one, or a larger one with his hands pressed together. Either way, (pointing the finger at Derek). He finds it threatening and menacing. Derek gets up, saying he should be going, and the father says "You should stay." Derek says, "Just for five minutes" and sits back down in an old school floral chair. (Another thing that jumps out is the family walking in right as Derek was pondering weathr to take the pen. Maybe whoever the father and Paulie by proxy symbolize, Derek feels is standing in the way of what he was searching for, symbolized by the pen. Maybe Paulie having the double marks on his face implied he was harmed in some way by the double jointed pen, which represents the thing Derek is searching for/desires, implying conflict between his desire and Paulie/the father. If it's his father-in-law, this desire could be a relationship with the daughter. If it's his boss, the desire could be a raise, promotion, etc. )

Derek's analysis:

Key motifs:
Paulie relation to the father, emphasis on family.


1. Day's residue associations:
double marks:
Before the dream, he had been watching the movie, 'It' with his son. He recalls a scene in the movie where an old lady has a double puncture mark on her chest, much like Paulie's mark on his face. He also watched a show called 'Tommy and Pam' with his wife, in which a character had a similar mark on her arm, and he remembers lingering on that, wondering the purpose.

garage:
He had recently moved into a new house, and he and his wifewere worried about getting the garage sorted out. (Relating back to him "sorting" through this garage, in a place that felt new to him.)

enscribing tool:
He had been reading a book called 'The Night Watchmen' in which a character has to enscribe something with a similar tool. He fell asleep listening to the audiobook.

2. Larger Associations:
The Pen:
20 years ago, he went to visit his Aunt and Uncle for a few days before going to travel. He took a pen, and later got a call from his uncle, looking for the pen because it was valuable, and he seemed angry. He still feels guilt for stealing the pen. The pen was tiny in the dream, because tiny things represent a huge idea, that being guilt for stealing the pen.
(My note: This adds a new context to the father figure/Paulie, perhaps. Maybe the represent his uncle possibly being upset with him.)
The colour yellow:
His favourite screwdriver was yellow, and needed to be fixed in the garage.
Main theme being guilt.
(My note" New context to Paulie's double puncture, he imagines his uncle feeling hurt/betrayed by his actions involving the pen.) New additions upon retelling/remembering:
Derek retold the dream after his explination, and recalled new information relating to the dream.
1. Feeling like a tourist during the comment about American families when the family shows up. Feelings of unfamiliarity overallwith the locations throughout the dream. Feeling foreighn. One of his students pointed out that he may not feel entirely at home in America yet. In the dream, he's with a family he's unfamiliar with that feels menacing. His conclusion, possibly displacement. Relating another stressful memory to his feelings of unfamiliarity in his new country. He also got involved in a controversy on twitter that stressed him out, and he relates some of his uneasy and uncertain feelings back to the dream. Overall, still feels like a guest in America. The twitter controversy made him fear losing his job, causing anxiety about being asked to leave, or having to go back to his old country. 2. Other family members obscured, aside from father. Derek remembers a few days in the summer, his father-in-law visited, and he and his father-in-law were the only ones without covid, and thus spent a lot of time together while the rest of the family recovored. He was worried about having to be a good host in their absence.
(Relates somewhat back to my original interpretation)
motif of guilt adds new context to the finger gun scene.

New explination with added context:

New analysis of Derek's dream with our ne information and context about Derek's life.

Derek gets dropped off by 2-3 of his colleuges, and checked his wallet to make sure he's got enough rand. (Possibly his brain associating the concept of money with his childhood currency, instead of his current one, also relates back to feelings of not belonging in his new country, and feeling like a foreigner) They leave, and in the next scene, he's in an unfamiliar garage. Rifling through random stuff, sorting things..(Day's residue, He'd recently moved to a new house, and he and his wife had recently began discussing "getting the garage sorted out" ) Coming across a shelf. On that shelf, he finds a pen that he fixates on, (Pen maybe represents a desire, but it's also connected to an old memory of when he stole a pen from his uncle. It's yellow due to the day's residue of thinking about his yellow screwdriver in the garage that needed to be fixed and used for a project.) That he refers to as a "special enscribing tool" (He calls it this due to the day's residue of falling asleep to an audiobook, where a character was enscribing something with a similar tool.) Derek looks at the pen and wonders if he should take it. (Memory of stealing the pen getting more prominent, guilt starting to creep in, the pen is tiny, representing how much this memory is weighing on him.) While he is thinking baout this, a family walks in. Derek is excited to see this family, seeing it as an opportunity to learn about American families. (This family represents his Aunt and Uncle, who he was happy to get the opportunity to visit. The opportunity to learn about American families also represents Derek still not feeling comfortable or confident in his new country, and nervous about fitting in.) They sit down at the table for supper with Derek. Once Derek notices the father, he also notices that Paulie from the Sopranos is also sitting at the table and is closest to him, and he looks scary. (The father represents both Derek's uncle and his father-in-law, and so does Paulie to some degree. Paulie and the father are one in the same, and Paulie having the role of a powerful and intimidating right hand man to Tony, the more threatening crime boss, is symbolic of the resentment Derek's subconcious imagines his uncle having towards him, as well as being an enbodiment of the stress of being a good host for his father-in-law. The idea of the resentment from his uncle feels foreboading and threatening to Derek, and appears to him as a powerful and intimidating figure. The notion of this perceived resentment looms over him and takes power over him. This is also why Paulie is sitting so close to Derek, this issue is large in his mind, and prominent in the memory the dream is pulling from nd recalling. Also why he looks so scary.) On Paulie's face, near his nose, he's got a scar that looks like a double puncture, Derek notes being put-off and uneasy by it. (Day's residue, he watched a movie and a tv show that night that both featured a character with a similar scar that he thought about for a bit. Other association, the double puncture resembles the double points on the pen. This symbolizes the idea of the concept of the penharming or causing pain to the father/paulie, who is a stand-in for his uncle. This is because he imagines his uncle being hurt or betrayed by his actions involving the pen, thus is why the uncle is upset here. He feels put-off by the sight of this scar, because it further amplifies the feeling of guilt.) Paulie looks at derek, and Derek tries to be nice. At some point, the father puts his hands together and points a finger gun at him. He finds it threatening and menacing (The finger gun is perceived as a threat in the context of the dream, I first thought it stood for the fear of what paulie represents, which is part of it, but with the added context of the theme of guilt, it can also be read as "pointing the finger" so to speak. Paulie, his uncle's perceived resentment, pointing to Derek, as if to say "you're guilty" in a way that also happens to resemble a weapon. ) Derek gets up, saying he should be going. The father says, "you should stay." Derek says, "Just for five minutes", and sits back down on an old school floral chair. (The one saying this is the father, representing Derek's uncle himself, rather than Paulie, representing the idea of his resentment. This could mean, that through this dream, Derek's subconcious came to terms with this event, and knows his uncle will forgive him, the chair representing comfort and things being okay. It could also be his concience telling him not to try and escape the situation.)

Extra details = more additions remembered


The garage is his, but it doesn't feel like it is, relating back to the feelings of unfamiliarity and lack of belonging.
white shelf matches one in his real garage.
Repitition: At the beginning of the dream, he told the drivers to "wait five minutes" and at the end of the dream, he told the father he would stay for "only five minutes", which is a phrase he often says to his kids.



Comparing Freud and Jung's theories

Freud

Let's review, a common idea from Freud is that dreams often represent a desire or wish, especially one that may be unattainable. They are also a type of thinking, that can only take place in the unconcious, where thoughts can flow more freely, and are not controlled or shaped by the concious mind. Let's elaborate on what Freud beleived about dreams a bit:

In his book, he also talks a lot about dreams pulling from memories, or even reliving memories or uncovoring memories within dreams, which we'll be getting to soon.

Jung

We haven't talked much about Jung's theories, but here's a rundown of some of the basics. We'll elaborate a bit more later.

Similarities with both

Personally, I think both have some good ideas, but I'm more on Frued's side when it comes to dreams being soley physiological. I think there's a lot of merit to Jung's theories of shadow traits.

Freud's Dream Theory

Here are some of my notes and/or analysis while listening to an audiobook of The Interpretation of Dreams by Sigmund Freud.

Chapter One


A: Dreams and waking life-


The dream is defined as the psychic activity of the sleeper. Aristotle veleived that dreams convert the slight sensations and external stimuli perceived during sleep into intense sensations. Freud goes more into depth on this in later chapters. Example: One may imagine in their dream that they are walking through fire, if their physical body becomes even slightly warm during sleep. Many others during his time beleived that dreams had a supernatural or spiritual purpose, or could be prophetic, warning the dreamer of future events or evil spirits appearing to lead them astray.

(My note: Freud mentions later that dreams are heavily tied to memories, and that many of his patients have been encouraged to ponder this during sessions with him, and it turned out they were able to uncovor entire forgotten events just from the content of the dream. We will get more into this later, as Freud provides a LOT of examples. My thought is that the deja vu from dreams that in the past was commonly confused for prophecies of demons or ones future could have just been this. I've personally had moments where I'll feel very strongly that a moment that I'm experiencing at that present moment, I've experienced in a dream in the past before. It could be that I've actually experienced a similar event in my past, that was used by my subconcious as the dream material, and due to how fuzzy and inconsistent memory is, and its tendancy to confuse events or even reimagine them over time, (I'll be doing a section on this site on that as well at a later date) It's more likely that my brain simply misinterpreted the situation, resulting in deja vu from the dream that I felt certain I remembered having the exact elements of that current moment verbetim. So my dream, in fact, did not predict a future event. Another note, regaurding the demon part, is that this idea reminds me a bit of Jung's theory, in the sense that the ones who beleived this may have been confronted with their shadow traits, or even relating back to Freud, their repressed desires or thoughts through these dreams. Both focus a bit on repression due to societal taboos, or the perception of their peers. It is possible that when presented with these repressed desires or their own shadow self, they believed it to be something akin to demonic temptation, or evil leading them astray, as that idea is more comforting than that the idea came from their own minds and could reflect a real part of themselves. They've also had this sort of mindset engrained in them their whole lives, as they have been taught to fear and reject the parts of themselves that go against the established rules of their society, religion, in group, or peers. In fact, this is typically exactly the purpose of demon characters in theology. The goal of dreams to both Freud and Jung are to sneak in these repressed ideas or traits that if deciphered by the dreamer, can sometimes be scary or uncomfortable to face and acknowledge, given that societal aspect, which I believe is misinterpertated by some as these demons or evil spirits, of varying cultures or religious backgrounds, tempting them to act on something theu concious mind is against.)

Quoting Hafner, our dreams are like a continuation of our waking life, and contain out thoughts and ideas that had recently been present in our conciousness. A term referred to earlier in Dr. Hook's lesson as the day's residue, describes the assertion that dreams will always link themselves to the previous day. Dreams will often lead us back into everyday life. We dream of what we've said, thought, desired, or done. Dreams are always influenced by the life experience of teh individual. We dream most frequently of things towards which our which our warmest passions are directed, showing us that passions have a heavy influence on the generation of our dreams.

(Personal antecdote: This is actually a pretty recent addition to my notes, but it's a great example of dreams being an abstract continuation of waking life. Last night, I had a dream where I was at some kind of indoor amusement park sort of place, with rides and attractions. There was a ride based around a webseries I grew up with, and I was on the ride with two of my friends. I came across a decoration of one of the characters that scared me in the dream. I'm not scared of him in real life, but in the context of the dream, it was normal for me to be afraid. As I kept looking at him, my ankle slowly begain hurting, and the pain grew worse the longer I looked at him. This was the worst, and most real pain that, as far as I can remember, I've ever felt in a dream before. I hardly ever feel pain in my dreams to begin with, but even when I do, it's nowhere near that intense. I turned away from the character, and started repeating to myself that "He's fictional", which only made both the pain and the fear worse. After a while, my friends and I finally escaped the attraction through a nearby elevator. Another thing I remember about the dream is that before all of this, I had a flase awakening in which I went into the living room to find the whiteboard I asked for next to the christmas tree. When I awoke from this dream, I could immediately tell what the symbolism was referencing from the day before. The whiteboard is most obvious, a wish fulfillment plus I had this dream on the night of christmas eve. For the rest of the dream, this came to mind: Yesterday, I was reading the book 'Conciousness Explained' by Daniel C Dennett, and I was very into this book for most of the day. There are two main points in the book I was reminded of. One is when the reader is asked to imagine being kicked in the foot/ankle, and to imagine the worst pain you possibly can, and notice how you don't feel any actual no matter how hard you imagine it, despite having a clear idea of what it would feel like, to make a point that goings-on in your mind, imagined events, are fictional and have no bearing on the reality you're experiencing. When you imagine being kicked, no matter how vividly, there is no space within observable reality in which you were actually kicked in that moment, as the scenario is immaterial.This point is reiterated in a different way in subsiquent sections of that chapter in the other point, in regaurds to what the author calls heterophenomenology, a type of phenomenology that takes a neutral stance on the validity /reality of what someone explains about what's going on in their conciousness and personal experience that can't be physically observed from the outside, or proved objectively by outside observers. You can't prove someone else experiences conciousness in the same way you do, or that when asked to imagine something, they are actually seeing a vivid image of that thing in their mind's eye, you just have to take their word for it. Therefore, heterophenomenology takes a neutral stance on these claims of sentient phenomena, and regaurds them in the same way that a student of liturature would regaurd a novel, as a work of fiction, until those claims can be proven empirically, saying that whatever the novelist or subject claiming concious experience says about their work/experience goes. Dennett reiterates multiple times that this idea can seem uncomfortable, scary, or even condecending to many, as people would, rightfully, insist that what they're experiencing in their conciousness IS real, their feelings, pain, senses, and mental imagery. The idea of it being regaurded as fiction doesn't sit right with many subjects. This all comes to mind with the dream, he pain seemingly tied to the idea of something "being fictional", as well as imagined pain in the shin that felt real, but of course wasn't, as it happened within the confines of a dream, which is regaurded by any serious analysist (besides possibly Jung) to be fictional. I also find it interesting, that the day prior to this dream, when reading this first part of the book, I felt I was unable to fully conjure up the pain of the shin kicking in my concious mind when prompted to by the book, even though I focused and actually tried to. It seems my subconcious, on the other hand, is perfectly capable of conjuring up such pain. Perhaps subconciously, I was finding it uncomfortable that the experience that felt real in that moment, as well as anything else that exists soley within my conciousness, that only I can experience, would be reguarded as fictional by those dastardly heterophenomenologists, and in a way, at least in this context, they are right. It's also worth mentioning, that whilst reading the book, conciously, I was keeping an open mind, and would have said that such implications didn't bother me at all. This is another instance I can think of in which it seems my concious and subconcious are at a disagreement about what "I" think or feel. I'll get more into this idea later.)

The ambitious man dreams of the laurals he has won perhaps only in imagination. No matter how extrordinary the dream may seem, it can never detach itself from the real world, the dreamer's experience in it. Its most sublime, as well as its most ridiculous constructions must always borrow their material either from that which our eyes have beheld in the outer world, or has appeared in our waking thoughts.


B: The material of dreams; memory in dreams-

Dreams are born from memories of our concious experiences, but many things in the content of a dream cannot be immediately recognized in the waking state as being such. One can vividly recall a dreams content, but cannot recall any events or waking experiences coinciding with the content of the dream, and is unaware of what the dream is pulling from. Many, after pondering and theorizing long enough, can begin to restore the lost memory of former experiences that influenced the dream. The unconcious is aware of and can recall memories lost and forgotten to the waking mind.


Example: Del Boeff relates back to his own experience, he dreamt of the courtyard of his house covored in snow, where he found two lizards half frozen and buried in the snow. He picked them up, warmed them, and put them back into a hole in the wall that was reserved for them. He gave them some of a fern he found growing on the wall. In the dream, he knew the name of the plant was asplenium ruta morales. The dream kept returning after a digression to the lizards. He saw two other little lizards falling upon what was left of the ferns. Turning towards the field, he saw two more going towards the hole. Soon, the whole road was covored in lizards, all moving in the same direction. In his waking state, Del Boeff only knew a few latin names of plants, and nothing of any asplenium. To his suprise, he discovored that a fern of this name actually existed, except the correct word was "mararia", rather than "morales", which the dream slightly distorted, probably due to the length of time since the memory occured, and since he last recalled it. (Note: The incorrect name could also be a result of condensation. It could be that the word "morales" showed up in another memory in his stream of conciousness, possibly related to that one or similar to it in some way. Dreams often come from an amalgomation of several memories and thoughts, as mentioned earlier. This is the reason, according to Freud's theory, that things in dreams can start off as one thing and then morph into another. His subconcious could have pulled from a totally different memory and combined it with this one, causing the confusion with the plant name. What's said in a dream doesn't always have to directly relate to the memory it's pulling from, as I've seen myself. I had a dream not too long ago in which I was listening to a song in an unknown foreign language, and I asked a young girl nearby, as she was the one who played the song, what language it was in, to which she replied "Eucllides" the spelling is accurate to how I intuitively knew it to be spelled in the context of the dream. However, "Eucllides" isn't a real language. I looked it up to be sure, and all I found were references to the mathematician, Euclid, and Euclidian geometry. I assume my dream must have been recalling something like a math lesson at the same time as the memories it pulled from to create the rest of the dream, despite the memories being vastly unrelated.)

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